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		<title>By: wickie</title>
		<link>http://deviceguru.com/tiny-6-chip-open-computer-runs-linux/#comment-735</link>
		<dc:creator>wickie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This category of boards gets increasingly popular - another one is the foxboard (http://www.acmesystems.it/?id=4), with less computing performance and more aimed at embedded control, but also in the same general price range as the linuxstamp and the beagleboard.

The MPC5123 board pip mentioned can not be bought yet - we will see if the suggested price holds and 199$ are still 30% more than 149$ and 60% more than 120$. While all running linux and similar in size and power consumption, they are quite different in performance, interface details and therefore target applications (multimedia, embedded control, slim desktops).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This category of boards gets increasingly popular &#8211; another one is the foxboard (<a href="http://www.acmesystems.it/?id=4" rel="nofollow">http://www.acmesystems.it/?id=4</a>), with less computing performance and more aimed at embedded control, but also in the same general price range as the linuxstamp and the beagleboard.</p>
<p>The MPC5123 board pip mentioned can not be bought yet &#8211; we will see if the suggested price holds and 199$ are still 30% more than 149$ and 60% more than 120$. While all running linux and similar in size and power consumption, they are quite different in performance, interface details and therefore target applications (multimedia, embedded control, slim desktops).</p>
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		<title>By: David Legg</title>
		<link>http://deviceguru.com/tiny-6-chip-open-computer-runs-linux/#comment-722</link>
		<dc:creator>David Legg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about if everybody lists their applications of this great little toy?
I would like to see whether people just play with it, or use it do something cool, maybe even useful :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about if everybody lists their applications of this great little toy?<br />
I would like to see whether people just play with it, or use it do something cool, maybe even useful <img src='http://deviceguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://deviceguru.com/tiny-6-chip-open-computer-runs-linux/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody willing to share their saved copy of the project files of the LinuxStamp? the ftp site is not working... Please post a link .. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody willing to share their saved copy of the project files of the LinuxStamp? the ftp site is not working&#8230; Please post a link .. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandrake0</title>
		<link>http://deviceguru.com/tiny-6-chip-open-computer-runs-linux/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandrake0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good product and the board looks nice layouted, nice job.

A friend of mine has made this board: http://labs.ti.bfh.ch/gecko/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good product and the board looks nice layouted, nice job.</p>
<p>A friend of mine has made this board: <a href="http://labs.ti.bfh.ch/gecko/" rel="nofollow">http://labs.ti.bfh.ch/gecko/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr MadCow</title>
		<link>http://deviceguru.com/tiny-6-chip-open-computer-runs-linux/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr MadCow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an awesome looking product.  I just built an ITX Atom server, and I thought it was small.  *GrinZ*  Is there a version that comes with the Lego chassis? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an awesome looking product.  I just built an ITX Atom server, and I thought it was small.  *GrinZ*  Is there a version that comes with the Lego chassis? <img src='http://deviceguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mmu_man</title>
		<link>http://deviceguru.com/tiny-6-chip-open-computer-runs-linux/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>mmu_man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is interesting, it&#039;s hardly the first or smallest of its kind...
uCSimm was first of course (but m68k).
I also became aware of Armadeus recently:
http://www.armadeus.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is interesting, it&#8217;s hardly the first or smallest of its kind&#8230;<br />
uCSimm was first of course (but m68k).<br />
I also became aware of Armadeus recently:<br />
<a href="http://www.armadeus.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.armadeus.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: deviceguru</title>
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		<dc:creator>deviceguru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;re: &quot;hefty sum of $120&quot;...&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry about my use of irony! What I meant to imply with that wording was that the board&#039;s $120 price is quite &lt;u&gt;low&lt;/u&gt; for what you&#039;re getting. IIRC, the wiki lists the raw parts cost as $75 in small volumes -- and that doesn&#039;t include assembly and test labor, amortization of the developer&#039;s engineering time, etc. In short: it&#039;s a GREAT deal! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>re: &#8220;hefty sum of $120&#8243;&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Sorry about my use of irony! What I meant to imply with that wording was that the board&#8217;s $120 price is quite <u>low</u> for what you&#8217;re getting. IIRC, the wiki lists the raw parts cost as $75 in small volumes &#8212; and that doesn&#8217;t include assembly and test labor, amortization of the developer&#8217;s engineering time, etc. In short: it&#8217;s a GREAT deal! <img src='http://deviceguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pip</title>
		<link>http://deviceguru.com/tiny-6-chip-open-computer-runs-linux/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>true, for a one man project its a nice thing, as yu mention 60 pounds i assume you mean UKP as in twice the $ per £ ?, alas it doesnt work out that way, buy the time you have added UK VAT and shipping its virtually the same price but in UKP I.e £120+, as is buying the parts from maplins/farnel etc locally... dont you just love the Uk and EU price tariffs (NOT ;( )

its a shame he cant get his hands on single small batch that dual MPC5123 PPC computer on a chip to use for his next project though, or even better perhaps, the newest Built on Power Architecture™ Technology
MPC8610 Integrated host processor

perhaps he can get one donated in the 

http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC8610FS.pdf?fsrch=1
and a copy of the latest freevec libray
http://www.freevec.org/functions 

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/search/Serp.jsp?fsrch=1&amp;isAdvanceSearch=false&amp;showCustomCollateral=false&amp;RELEVANCE=true&amp;fromTrng=false&amp;showAllCategories=false&amp;fromPSP=false&amp;pageNum=1&amp;assetLocked=false&amp;assetLockedForNavigation=false&amp;fromDAP=false&amp;fromWebPages=false&amp;pageSize=25&amp;isComparison=false&amp;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true, for a one man project its a nice thing, as yu mention 60 pounds i assume you mean UKP as in twice the $ per £ ?, alas it doesnt work out that way, buy the time you have added UK VAT and shipping its virtually the same price but in UKP I.e £120+, as is buying the parts from maplins/farnel etc locally&#8230; dont you just love the Uk and EU price tariffs (NOT ;( )</p>
<p>its a shame he cant get his hands on single small batch that dual MPC5123 PPC computer on a chip to use for his next project though, or even better perhaps, the newest Built on Power Architecture™ Technology<br />
MPC8610 Integrated host processor</p>
<p>perhaps he can get one donated in the </p>
<p><a href="http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC8610FS.pdf?fsrch=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/MPC8610FS.pdf?fsrch=1</a><br />
and a copy of the latest freevec libray<br />
<a href="http://www.freevec.org/functions" rel="nofollow">http://www.freevec.org/functions</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.freescale.com/webapp/search/Serp.jsp?fsrch=1&#038;isAdvanceSearch=false&#038;showCustomCollateral=false&#038;RELEVANCE=true&#038;fromTrng=false&#038;showAllCategories=false&#038;fromPSP=false&#038;pageNum=1&#038;assetLocked=false&#038;assetLockedForNavigation=false&#038;fromDAP=false&#038;fromWebPages=false&#038;pageSize=25&#038;isComparison=false&#038;amp" rel="nofollow">http://www.freescale.com/webapp/search/Serp.jsp?fsrch=1&#038;isAdvanceSearch=false&#038;showCustomCollateral=false&#038;RELEVANCE=true&#038;fromTrng=false&#038;showAllCategories=false&#038;fromPSP=false&#038;pageNum=1&#038;assetLocked=false&#038;assetLockedForNavigation=false&#038;fromDAP=false&#038;fromWebPages=false&#038;pageSize=25&#038;isComparison=false&#038;amp</a>;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think 60 pounds is unreasonable - manufacture in small volumes, especially surface mount, is not easy or cheap.  I think the product looks very interesting, and can thinks of lots of uses.  I can&#039;t see why the price is seen as &#039;hefty&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think 60 pounds is unreasonable &#8211; manufacture in small volumes, especially surface mount, is not easy or cheap.  I think the product looks very interesting, and can thinks of lots of uses.  I can&#8217;t see why the price is seen as &#8216;hefty&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: pip</title>
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		<dc:creator>pip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Andrew Shuttlewood Says: 

August 7th, 2008 at 4:09 am 
Also of interest is the beagleboard (http://beagleboard.org) which is $149 and includes a somewhat beefier processor. However, you would have trouble making it yourself..&quot;

you cant be serious, for an extra $50 you can get a fully made developer dualcore 400Mhz Genesi development board of a MPC5123 PPC system reference design.

http://www.genesi-usa.com/press.php?date=20080414

http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&amp;p=irol-newsArticle&amp;ID=1128581&amp;highlight=

&quot;Freescale dual-core processor simplifies embedded Linux® OS-based design 
Power Architecture™ processor, backed by mobileGT® Linux starter kit, designed to reduce cost and time-to-market for industrial applications &quot;

&quot;The MPC5123, a next-generation successor to the popular MPC5200 processor, combines a Power Architecture e300 core scaling to 400 MHz with an advanced multimedia co-processor to deliver exceptional processor performance. &quot;

&quot;mobileGT® starter kit with Linux OS 
The MPC5123 processor is supported by a cost-effective starter kit that includes a Linux® OS board support package (BSP) optimized for the MPC5123 processor. Freescale&#039;s mobileGT Linux software includes fully functional Linux open-source images with source code, an open-source tool chain and design documentation. The software was developed in collaboration with Genesi, a leading provider of open-source platforms for the 32-bit embedded market. 

“Freescale&#039;s motherboard-on-a-chip will help redefine the 32-bit embedded market and establish new market standards for open client network computers,” said Bill Buck, general manager of Genesi U.S.A, Inc. “Our collaboration with Freescale around the MPC5123 device benefits the growing open-source development community by providing a powerful, cost-effective processing platform for embedded systems based on Power Architecture technology.” 

The MPC5123 processor platform is backed by a growing ecosystem of development tool, middleware and real-time operating system (RTOS vendors). 

MPC5123 product features

e300 core   
Built on Power Architecture technology 
32KB instruction cache and 32KB data cache 
Double-precision floating point unit and dual integer units 
Up to 400 MHz performance, delivering 800 MIPS 
User-programmable 32-bit RISC multimedia core operating at up to 200 MHz 
Integrated display controller supporting up to 720p (1280x720) and WXGA (1366x768) resolution 
12 programmable serial controllers supporting UART, SPI, AC97, I2S 
SDRAM DDR-I/DDR-II/mobileDDR memory controller 
10/100 Fast Ethernet media access controller (MAC) 
Three I2Cs 
PCI 2.3 interface 
Dual USB 2.0 On-the-Go (OTG) controller with an integrated high-speed PHY 
Serial advanced technology attachment (SATA) controller 
Parallel advanced technology attachment (PATA) controller 
Four CAN 2.0A/B modules 
64-channel intelligent DMA I/O controller 
Sony/Phillips digital interface format (S/PDIF) serial audio interface 
Secure digital host controller (SDHC) supporting MMC/SD/SDIO protocols 
27x27 mm – 1 mm pitch 516-pin PBGA package 
Pricing and availability
Samples of the MPC5123 processor are planned to be available in late third quarter 2008. Suggested resale pricing for the MPC5123 in 10,000-unit quantities starts at $20.00 (USD). Development kits bundled with the MPC5123 processor are planned to be available for a suggested resale price of $199 (USD).&quot;

and the last Genesi Efika retail board (4watts total while _working_[NOT idol or in low power standby mode] with PCI gfx card installed)that came from their last developer board come in at $99 USD ,so expect any new retail board to come in well below that current %199 developer board in time....

sure the the ARM920T™ ARM® Thumb® Processor – 200 MIPS at 180 MHz,can beat the PPC on power while also working, but the expected 4watts total/average useage expected again from MPC5123, is well within the battery+ PV and/or fuelcell  gives you a far greater expectation for gettign real work done.

an addition of an onboard 11n reprogramable wireless and gigE chipset might make this an even better fit for any home video IP streaming base OC.... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Andrew Shuttlewood Says: </p>
<p>August 7th, 2008 at 4:09 am<br />
Also of interest is the beagleboard (<a href="http://beagleboard.org" rel="nofollow">http://beagleboard.org</a>) which is $149 and includes a somewhat beefier processor. However, you would have trouble making it yourself..&#8221;</p>
<p>you cant be serious, for an extra $50 you can get a fully made developer dualcore 400Mhz Genesi development board of a MPC5123 PPC system reference design.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.genesi-usa.com/press.php?date=20080414" rel="nofollow">http://www.genesi-usa.com/press.php?date=20080414</a></p>
<p><a href="http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&#038;p=irol-newsArticle&#038;ID=1128581&#038;highlight" rel="nofollow">http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&#038;p=irol-newsArticle&#038;ID=1128581&#038;highlight</a>=</p>
<p>&#8220;Freescale dual-core processor simplifies embedded Linux® OS-based design<br />
Power Architecture™ processor, backed by mobileGT® Linux starter kit, designed to reduce cost and time-to-market for industrial applications &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The MPC5123, a next-generation successor to the popular MPC5200 processor, combines a Power Architecture e300 core scaling to 400 MHz with an advanced multimedia co-processor to deliver exceptional processor performance. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;mobileGT® starter kit with Linux OS<br />
The MPC5123 processor is supported by a cost-effective starter kit that includes a Linux® OS board support package (BSP) optimized for the MPC5123 processor. Freescale&#8217;s mobileGT Linux software includes fully functional Linux open-source images with source code, an open-source tool chain and design documentation. The software was developed in collaboration with Genesi, a leading provider of open-source platforms for the 32-bit embedded market. </p>
<p>“Freescale&#8217;s motherboard-on-a-chip will help redefine the 32-bit embedded market and establish new market standards for open client network computers,” said Bill Buck, general manager of Genesi U.S.A, Inc. “Our collaboration with Freescale around the MPC5123 device benefits the growing open-source development community by providing a powerful, cost-effective processing platform for embedded systems based on Power Architecture technology.” </p>
<p>The MPC5123 processor platform is backed by a growing ecosystem of development tool, middleware and real-time operating system (RTOS vendors). </p>
<p>MPC5123 product features</p>
<p>e300 core<br />
Built on Power Architecture technology<br />
32KB instruction cache and 32KB data cache<br />
Double-precision floating point unit and dual integer units<br />
Up to 400 MHz performance, delivering 800 MIPS<br />
User-programmable 32-bit RISC multimedia core operating at up to 200 MHz<br />
Integrated display controller supporting up to 720p (1280&#215;720) and WXGA (1366&#215;768) resolution<br />
12 programmable serial controllers supporting UART, SPI, AC97, I2S<br />
SDRAM DDR-I/DDR-II/mobileDDR memory controller<br />
10/100 Fast Ethernet media access controller (MAC)<br />
Three I2Cs<br />
PCI 2.3 interface<br />
Dual USB 2.0 On-the-Go (OTG) controller with an integrated high-speed PHY<br />
Serial advanced technology attachment (SATA) controller<br />
Parallel advanced technology attachment (PATA) controller<br />
Four CAN 2.0A/B modules<br />
64-channel intelligent DMA I/O controller<br />
Sony/Phillips digital interface format (S/PDIF) serial audio interface<br />
Secure digital host controller (SDHC) supporting MMC/SD/SDIO protocols<br />
27&#215;27 mm – 1 mm pitch 516-pin PBGA package<br />
Pricing and availability<br />
Samples of the MPC5123 processor are planned to be available in late third quarter 2008. Suggested resale pricing for the MPC5123 in 10,000-unit quantities starts at $20.00 (USD). Development kits bundled with the MPC5123 processor are planned to be available for a suggested resale price of $199 (USD).&#8221;</p>
<p>and the last Genesi Efika retail board (4watts total while _working_[NOT idol or in low power standby mode] with PCI gfx card installed)that came from their last developer board come in at $99 USD ,so expect any new retail board to come in well below that current %199 developer board in time&#8230;.</p>
<p>sure the the ARM920T™ ARM® Thumb® Processor – 200 MIPS at 180 MHz,can beat the PPC on power while also working, but the expected 4watts total/average useage expected again from MPC5123, is well within the battery+ PV and/or fuelcell  gives you a far greater expectation for gettign real work done.</p>
<p>an addition of an onboard 11n reprogramable wireless and gigE chipset might make this an even better fit for any home video IP streaming base OC&#8230;. <img src='http://deviceguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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